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[bankevair.livejournal.com]

Hands up those of you who are actually watching this community, who are annoyed by recent posts of "oh btw, I've updated" and really wish to see new lists instead of the same ones with strikes here and there and a "if you have any more money.. hint hint poke poke".

and I wonder. why only 213 of us are watching the community, when there's almost 400 members.

come on people. stop! Please dont abuse the goodwill of the little santas and elfs here. It's only human nature to start getting greedy, therefore, dont. I know, it's terribly tempting when you see some of your wishes granted, and some not.. to happily hit on the 'post entry' button and submit an "update" which is quite similar to a "hey, dont forget me! Come on, I'm waiting!".

Seriously, I'm sick of it. And I know a few others who are too. And if you start flaming me, stop and ask yourself. Is this what holiday spirit is about? What happened to the Christmas cheer? And while you are happily updating away about your list, and getting more and more wishes granted.. how bout the new lists? ... hidden in among all those update, there's this one new list. And because, it's hidden.. It might very well be looked over, ignored. Think about how those people feel.

I have talked to mydemand and quite frankly, she agrees with me. Give and you might receive. Nobody said anything about you receiving for sure! Plus, isnt the christmas spirit about giving? *shakes head*. Posts that have the word 'update' in it from now on, are going to get a warning. Please dont keep adding new wishes. You were given 10. 10... is that not more than 1? ... For now, updating posts will be warned. Do it again, and wham! your post gets kicked to no-mans land.

Merry Christmas. Please dont ruin the christmas cheer.

Comments

[schmoo999.livejournal.com]

Thank you for posting this. I was about to stop watching cause I am getting my flist spammed from the reposts. I don't need to paw through wish lists I have already checked out to see the other posts from my flist. I really don't want to dewatch the group...however. Anyway.

Merry X-Mas...

:-)

[cheerygemini.livejournal.com]

Amen!

[cheerygemini.livejournal.com]

that was supossed to be a new comment. Oh well.

[alchemia.livejournal.com]

thank you

[rochelle.livejournal.com]

Thank you!!

[joelie.livejournal.com]

Prehaps if you also got people to remove their posts, or thier older ones as well, so when people skip back through the community they arent being spamed with the same list five times.

Also - I have noticed some people posting cause they couldn't find something or some such. I really dont mind, but once they do discover what they were looking for, If they could delete their entry, that would be helpful.

And... THANK YOU!!!!

[cheerygemini.livejournal.com]

I did it! (I didn't make double posts) I just posted becuase someone wasn't responding and I wanted to give the gift out. But anyhow, they responded, I got my question answered, so in the hopes of starting a trend, I deleted that post since it wasn't relevant anymore :-)

[rochelle.livejournal.com]

the community was started with 10 wishes...that doesnt mean keep a running 10

EXACTLY! I think a lot of people are either misunderstanding or choosing not to pay attention, and are replacing their wishes with new wishes when one gets filled. 10 means 10 TOTAL, not a running 10 at all times.

[greenwitch.livejournal.com]

Thanks. I didn't want to seem too forceful with my post, and it needed to be said (repeatedly).

[alwayssonaive.livejournal.com]

What if one of the mods had to approve all entries? That way, no "update" posts could make it onto the journal?

[bankevair.livejournal.com]

that is an idea, but as it is, all 3 mods are very very busy with their lifes. as much as possible, this community should remain as free as possible.

[alwayssonaive.livejournal.com]

I realize they are busy with their lives, but the fact of the matter is that new people are joining every single day... new people who, most likely, will not scroll back through every post and read your post about no updates/10 wishes maximum. I'm sure there are even current members who have not read every single post made to this community. Putting it in the community rules may help, but chances are that it will still continue to be a problem even then. So basically, I think that people either need to accept that this will continue to happen, stop getting angry, and just tolerating it, or there needs to be some sort of approval system. Of course, it is up to the three mods to decide. However, it seems like even these "stop updating posts" are becoming more and more frequent. Just a suggestion to the mods.

[divabat.livejournal.com]

It's a good idea in theory, but from managing the Master List itself, I can tell you that it would only be more work than it's worth.

I had to stop taking in entries for the Master List because there were JUST TOO MANY, but people are still posting, without ever reading the "PLEASE STOP!" message. I directed them here, so that they don't have to wait, but if we have to start approving posts, we'll be behind even by next Christmas.

sigh!

[alwayssonaive.livejournal.com]

Then I guess the only solution is to just ignore the ones that are reposts and stop worrying about it... ::shrug:: I don't know, lol.

[greenwitch.livejournal.com]

You've done a lot of work so far, so I'd (personally) be more than willing to give you mod privelges :)

[greenwitch.livejournal.com]

Oh, okay! Great!

Well, I'm in favor. I think most of the people in the comm would be in favor, too... especially since many of the newbies probably don't realize that they're being rude...

[greenwitch.livejournal.com]

I think we should probably make a mod post announceing what we're doing first, with a link to this post, so that more people will know what we're going to do and why. And then we can go ahead and switch to moderation.

[divabat.livejournal.com]

yargh, you could have warned me first! I woke up to 67 emails o_O

Well, between this and the WishMaster (I've closed the Master List and directed everyone there instead), I hope this whole mess sorts itself out.

Thanks for being so willing to go through the madness :D

[divabat.livejournal.com]

eep o_O what did the anon say?

[unconventional.livejournal.com]

I don't know how things are going now, but if you ever need another hand in approving posts and such, I'm more than willing. I have a lot of free time on my hands and nothing to do, so if I can help, I will.

[guinan.livejournal.com]

Thanks for trying to keep the community manageable, but I think for the most part "updates" will continue. While alwayssonaive had a point about newbie's unaware of the rules updating their lists, I've seen a few who've been on since the beginning repost updates quite a bit, and as a newbie I wouldn't "presume" to update my list unless I see others doing it constantly.

Also it really isn't fair to those who haven't updated and reposted, people who've posted early, but because you asked won't repost trying to catch the eye of newbie's, who aren't likely to go back and wade through all those reposts trying to catch everyone. Not that I'm complaining I've had two of mine done and I'm tickled purple! But I know at one point I decided just to try and keep up daily in looking for requests to fill because I just didn't have the time to wade through all those updates.

I think sadisticembrace's attempt to categorize many people by what is on their wish list will help immensely, I personally will be going through as I have a couple of DVDs & books I could give if I see them requested. Now that is one post that I think should be reposted & updated weekly or as she finds time! Hopefully people will be encouraged to do any updating on their own journal that way. That would let those who want to keep adding to increase their chances or because they think of other stuff, and keeps the community down to a manageable amount of posts.

All in all this has been a good experience and hopefully one that will be an annual one!

:D

[greenwitch.livejournal.com]

We'll figure this is the trial round, next year we'll know how to manage it! :)

[sidekicknomore.livejournal.com]

Maybe you could "hire" someone to help with scanning the thing like that? Maybe make another mod and have thier sole responsibility to scan the posts over?

[greenwitch.livejournal.com]

I'm definately willing to approve new posts, and not allowing "updates".

We can add that to the userinfo page, and specify that you must update your original post only (I'm talking crossing off of items, etc.). If people don't read the userinfo page, post an update, and then it doesn't get approved, that's their own fault.

The idea of a free community was great at the beginning, but with so many participating, moderation might not be such a bad idea.

[punke.livejournal.com]

I suppose I fall in the 'guilty as charged' category, partially. I did an update. :( I agree with you on the "Don't get greedy!!", but I see some of the strikes and deletes in the updates as ways of making sure people don't get the wishes duplicated. That's why I did my update.

[divabat.livejournal.com]

Well, crossing off what's on your wishlist is one thing. But there are people that just add and add and add...they're never satisfied.

[greenwitch.livejournal.com]

Which is totally not what this project is about.

Honestly, the first lists that were posted were great, with selfish and nonselfish items alike, and keeping to the rule of #10. I definately put a lot of thought into my list before posting it. It doesn't seem like people are anymore.

I'm beginning to think moderation for approving new lists is the way to go. I'm more than willing to do that a few times a day (approving only new lists and reasonable queries to older lists)

[irishrose1.livejournal.com]

I agree. And I was guilty as well. After a lot of thought I reworked my list. I tried for about two days to edit the original here, but I couldn't get it to work. So I made one updated (well before the request not to)post. It wasn't out of greed, it wasn't even the obligatory "hey, I'm still here-my post is nine pages back" post. It was a, "I really rethought things" post.

So, I got the nice little retroactive chastisement. Meh, whatever.

Personally, what I saw in a lot of the reposts and updates were several comments that the poster couldn't find their original post. Most people don't read a tutorial on LJ and they discover everything by trial and error. So maybe or maybe not, but if after scrolling for a few hours, they still can't find their own list, I would bet they didn't think anyone else could either, which simply fed into the loop.

[hammaboo.livejournal.com]

AMEN. Thank you for this. Maybe you should give this post a weird future date so it stays at the top.

I'm so sick of the updates. After a while I started wishing the mods would delete any update posts.

[lea724.livejournal.com]

Maybe you should give this post a weird future date so it stays at the top.

That's one of the first things I thought of when a comment was made earlier about how newbies won't know about this post.

[myrafur.livejournal.com]

Awesome, thank you for posting this.

I've been watching, trying to grant a wish, here and there, but who can do it with all the greedy little sheisters out there who keep reposting?!

Maybe one day a really really worthy post will come up and by then we'll all be so sick of reading 'gimme more, gimme more, gimme the most!' that it'd just be passed by...

Anyway, this community warms my heart. Thanks for keeping it up, we know it's a pain, sometimes! ;)

[missperkygoth.livejournal.com]

I'm another "guilty" one, I guess. I did an update to clarify a couple of things, since I was getting questions via email about my list. I'm sure it didn't warrant a "update" post, though. Sorry. :(

[falllingforever.livejournal.com]

I guess I'm guilty as well. I posted something as well the other day, though it wasn't a complete wishlist. I took the community off my friends list because there were too many entries every day, but I still check it daily and try to fulfill at least one wish.
Thank you for your post.

[greenwitch.livejournal.com]

Agreed -- that's why I don't keep the comm on my friends filter. Hopefully the moderation will cut back immensely and more people will be willing to watch :)

[eggsnail.livejournal.com]

I just joined the community. And I'm glad you want to keep the holiday spirit alive. But I have to say that, while scrolling through lists, I was thinking, "What a lovely idea!" Then I saw this post, and it irked me because, despite your good intentions, I saw this, read it, and thought, "Oh, great. The lovely idea is being trampled upon like all of the other lovely ideas out there."

I realize that this is not your fault, and what you were merely trying to remedy a situation that must have been getting pretty bad. But coming across such a dire post in the middle of all of these wishlists completely turned me off to the community. I can't buy things for people, because I don't have enough money, but I thought that if I came across any wishes for icons or banners, I could make them, since that's free and it's something I do. It's nothing big, but I thought it was some type of contribution.

That said, this entry should really have been put behind an LJ cut. The last thing new members want to see when they start reading through is a huge, bright post about how greedy the community is.

By the by - I don't have the community friended, because I'm already a member of fifty thousand communities that clutter my friends page. People can come and read things in a community without having it listed on their friends page. :/

/opinion

[divabat.livejournal.com]

This problem actually needed highlighting. People were taking advantage of the situation, and lots of people were grumbling about it but no one had the guts to speak up.

Putting it in an LJ cut WOULD NOT help because lots of people would just ignore it! At least this way, we got it out in the open.

I'm sorry that this has ruined the experience for you. But with moderation and the WishMaster in place, things would be a lot more streamlined.

Check the Memories - sadisticembrace has made lists of people by the wishes they want. There is a list for user graphics there.

[jenisnape.livejournal.com]

yes..I'm guilty too...I wanted to change a couple of things that were very unrealistic.....And I also wanted to see if anyone wanted any gmail invites ^^;
But yes...After doing so I felt kinda guilty...because It was starting to annoy me of all the reposting too..as I was looking through the page daily...
It was also one of the reasons I didn't add it to my flist...

[mochajoy13.livejournal.com]

THANK YOU SO MUCH. You said everything I've been thinking. This should help a lot—hopefully. My fingers are crossed...

[irishrose1.livejournal.com]

I watch the community without joining for a reason. That reason is volume. I couldn't get to the posts in my Flist. So, instead I choose to come over here and do as much granting as I can, without reworking any settings, or flooding my Flist screen.

And without adding anything, I want to say that I *completely* agree poster that while trying to control a problem, it has created another. I know it certainly gave my spirit a kick in the pants, and not in the good way.

I don't know about others, but something I found even more annoying are the posts enumerating just how many wishes one has granted...

"53 wishes granted and counting"

I think it's great that they can grant wishes! But I don't think grandstanding is necessary. This isn't a contest, and doesn't make the grantor most deserving than anyone else.

But, in fairness, and to prevent making people who can only grant a wish or two feel bad, I think those posts are fairly poor taste. And if limitations are going to start...

[eringryffin.livejournal.com]

Eh, while I can see the point of the updating, I definitely agree about the more-than-ten lists! Those really upset me. Ten chances to have people who don't even know you send you things out of the goodness of their hearts is quite enough!

Oh, and I'm another non-"watcher," who'd like to say that watching isn't a measure of anything. I swing by at least once a day to check out new lists, but were I to friend the community it would eat my F-list in about twenty minutes. You don't have to have to have something "watched" in order to be paying attention!

[bankevair.livejournal.com]

ah hrm. *blush*. when I said and I wonder why .. blah I was being sarcastic. not watching is fine. But what I meant was there's a possibility that because of all the repeated post, people are starting to feel that their flist is disappearing... that's why they took us off the list.

I know not watching doesnt mean not paying attention ^^ dont worry ..

[liz85.livejournal.com]

I joined but don't keep this on my friends list due to its sheer volume, but I do check it about 5 times a day :-)